@Giratina88: Ancient Greeks practiced a direct vote because they were few. Not everyone could vote in the ancient Athenian democracy. Women, slaves and everyone of non-Athenian origin was excluded from the process.
@christos21: One studies hard in order to heightens their mind, not their salary; that's a bad expectation to have.
Concerning education in Greece now, I wonder if it's the poor public education brought private schooling or whether it's the other way around, it's a perpetual circle.
(31-01-2012 12:21 PM)Arty2 Wrote: [ -> ]@christos21: One studies hard in order to heightens their mind, not their salary; that's a bad expectation to have.
Concerning education in Greece now, I wonder if it's the poor public education brought private schooling or whether it's the other way around, it's a perpetual circle.
I didn't say that one should study only to supplement his/her income.Of course,we should study for our own sake but i guess that we all want to get a salary matching the amount of effort we make daily.Not to mention that one can heighten his mind from other activities other than school studies which provide both fun and education.Sadly,almost all subjects are mandatory and therefore,we have to study for all these subjects.Have you ever imagined how much better would school and education be if everybody could choose the subjects he wants and according to these subjects get into university?I know that this education should be general in the first years of school in order to have an adequate level of general knowledge, but why should it be general in high school too where we are supposed to get better to the subjects that can help us in university?
Also,i think no one can really answer to the question you posed;as you said it's a perpetual circle.
Sorry to butt in like this withought actuallu having read more than the first 3 posts , anyway , From what i can understand right now we have a form of......."oligarchy"(?) (Idk if thats the word for it in english , look the word "Ολιγαρχία" up if you want ) using the word "Democracy" as it's disguise. Also , The EE is doing whatever they want with us. And that "Merkel" person with the justin bieber hair is pretty much controlling the EE's descisions. And All these politicians are Masons. And everything is pretty much planed out.
(Keep in mind , i don't have a tv , i don't listen to the radio , i don't read newspapers , i don't read any newsblogs or magazines apart from "omg ubuntu" , lp and bulbapedia and the last time i heard anything about our government was 2-3 months ago.)
(31-01-2012 04:16 AM)Giratina88 Wrote: [ -> ]You know what we should do? We should be like ancient Athens and have that whole direct democracy thingy. I've been learning about Athens in history class and at the time nobody else practiced that kind of government. I truly think it is amazing that the ancient people were able to come up with a government that does not involve tyrannical rule or corruption of the system.
Their system had a load of downsides and negative aspects that aren't usually mentioned. Personally, I wouldn't like to live in such a country since it might be truly democratic but doesn't offer much freedom in the end.
(31-01-2012 03:15 AM)Arty2 Wrote: [ -> ]The english speakers got a matching proverb though: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"
I'm afraid we're well past the twice, therefore people should direct the blame to themselves as well at some point.
I agree, in the end it's the peoples' fault that useless politician and political systems rule the countries. And since it's no good putting blames on others, I personally blame myself along with all the others for the situation. We are part of the problem, not the solution, as a song by MSI states.
And as for what KN412 said, I sometimes wonder if it really is a conspiracy or just greedy people who work together to achieve the maximum profit for em. Or maybe they are simply useless. Politics.....
(31-01-2012 08:17 PM)Divided by Zer0 Wrote: [ -> ]And as for what KN412 said, I sometimes wonder if it really is a conspiracy or just greedy people who work together to achieve the maximum profit for em. Or maybe they are simply useless. Politics.....
Actually, I agree with KN412 as well. It is just an oligarchy in the guise of a democracy, in the same way that all of those dictatorships are in the guise of "republics". They have "presidents" but they control absolutely everything.
I can't believe that I live in a country where lots of people insist into voting Pasok and Nea Dimokratia after all these disasters they keep to create. And their excuse? "We are used to them, why should we vote something different?". I mean, what are they waiting for? See their salaries go to 200 euros per month to wake up? What are they thinking? And now there are lots of new, different political parties to choose from, it's not only Pasok, Nea Dimokratia and KKE anymore. Speaking for KKE, what's the deal with ΚΚΕ(μ-λ) • Μ-Λ ΚΚΕ?
(14-07-2012 10:20 PM)Vetus Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe that I live in a country where lots of people insist into voting Pasok and Nea Dimokratia after all these disasters they keep to create. And their excuse? "We are used to them, why should we vote something different?". I mean, what are they waiting for? See their salaries go to 200 euros per month to wake up? What are they thinking? And now there are lots of new, different political parties to choose from, it's not only Pasok, Nea Dimokratia and KKE anymore. Speaking for KKE, what's the deal with ΚΚΕ(μ-λ) • Μ-Λ ΚΚΕ?
Old people......most of them should be dead within 20 years. maybe 30.
(14-07-2012 10:20 PM)Vetus Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe that I live in a country where lots of people insist into voting Pasok and Nea Dimokratia after all these disasters they keep to create. And their excuse? "We are used to them, why should we vote something different?". I mean, what are they waiting for? See their salaries go to 200 euros per month to wake up? What are they thinking? And now there are lots of new, different political parties to choose from, it's not only Pasok, Nea Dimokratia and KKE anymore. Speaking for KKE, what's the deal with ΚΚΕ(μ-λ) • Μ-Λ ΚΚΕ?
You would expect that after so many failures people would have learned. Probably they didn't.
I don't know much about politics but it would be kind of funny if another party apart from the usual ones ruled the country and failed miserably aswell. Maybe it's the whole political system that is wrong or maybe politicians truly are as useless as we think.
My opinion is that most of the people have lost faith in every sort of parties politicians. Lots of people don't vote and others who do vote don't expect any change or improvement. Years now, we have gotten used to this shitty situation in Greece. Only lately they seem to be overdoin it.
(14-07-2012 11:11 PM)Divided by Zer0 Wrote: [ -> ]My opinion is that most of the people have lost faith in every sort of parties politicians. Lots of people don't vote and others who do vote don't expect any change or improvement. Y
Then again , we never had anything else apart from PASOK , N.D. and EPEN , right? or am i wrong?
(14-07-2012 11:11 PM)Divided by Zer0 Wrote: [ -> ]My opinion is that most of the people have lost faith in every sort of parties politicians. Lots of people don't vote and others who do vote don't expect any change or improvement. Y
Then again , we never had anything else apart from PASOK , N.D. and EPEN , right? or am i wrong?
True but since people have always witnessed the political system to fail they can't trust it in whole, no matter which party is in charge. Ofc still some people do hope but still personally I do not believe there would be much if a change, no matter who is gets elected.
or am i wrong?