(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]By saying leaving the EU do you refer to the state or to the people ?
The state. For the people , it's up to them. I'm just saying though , people have a lot more reason to immigrate , these days. (And they do.)
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]I suppose that even though you don't seem to like Greeks in general,you care for our country because you love it as a place, you were brought up here and have friends .
Not sure what you mean here , but I care for the country's economy , mainly. I don't see us getting anywhere by just sitting here doing nothing. We're never getting rid of the debt at this rate. I mean , what we're paying off now if basically the interest , isn't it?
and i don't see it getting any less anytime soon.
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ].Becoming an immigrant isn't as simple as you may think,both economically and psychologically .First of all,you won't find a good job unless you are really good at what you do or work for less money than other people ; not to mention that you'll be more severely criticized about your job due to being a foreigner.
Economically , true. although it's arguably a worse option than staying here , to be fair. It's not like you'll find a job here any easier anymore now , is it? it all depends on the job though , of course. As for being severely criticized , that defers from country to country.
Psychologically , is up to the individual.
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding my words about democracy I think you misunderstood me.I was talking about the general way democracy works,not the way it works in Greece.Don't blame democracy as an idea because it doesn't work as good as it should in our country
fair enough then.
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]btw, if we really didn't have democracy you'd have ended up in jail for saying it and our messages would be controlled(θέλω να πώ ότι θα περνούσαν από λογοκρισία).
No , not necessarily. Not everything that isn't democracy bans freedom of speech.
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]Democracy works best when the voters know what they are doing and not feel responsible about their actions.All in all,I don't think I've ever said democracy is perfect but this doesn't mean it's worse than monarchy,oligarchy or communism.
I fully agree. The opposite also applies for each of those systems as well though. it all depends on the type of people we're dealing with.
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]P.S: I don't support any current political party as none of them is worth it
And you can't do anything at all to change that.
How very democratic.
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]I think that democracy would work better without their existence,every person should represent his ideas and not the party's ones.
Who doesn't , mate? That's basically why i'm saying we need to get rid of these people , or whatever sad excuse of a form of government we have now , at least.
(05-06-2013 06:41 PM)christos21 Wrote: [ -> ]P.S.1: Could you explain me why you'd love to go to the countries you've mentioned and what made you want to go there ?
Their neutrality , mainly. Also , the fact that they're relatively small countries , smaller countries tend to be more stable in general from what i'm seeing. And they don't seem to have the problems we have here , generally ok economy and everything , and don't seem to have such a loud population. All in all , they don't seem to be as corrupt as other countries.
(06-06-2013 12:12 AM)Arty2 Wrote: [ -> ]If we assume that you can't find any single person close to your beliefs among the 30 or so parties, then I suppose that as soon as you get of age, you'll be running as a candidate yourself.
Of course if your beliefs are as proper as you concieve them to be, you'll have no trouble at all persuading others.
Yeah , nah. I'd honestly prefer just leaving. I don't think i can trust the crowd. Or that i'm responsible enough. Besides , if i did somehow get up there , i couldn't throw the others out and start everything from scratch just like that , could i?
on a side note , i didn't even know it was that simple.
(06-06-2013 12:12 AM)Arty2 Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunate as it is, human societies are much unlike the world of math and physics that you may have got used to through our educational system. It runs on estimates and approximations instead of austere and exact quantities.
I'm aware of that. not quite sure what you mean here though.
(06-06-2013 12:12 AM)Arty2 Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, one can flee and go somewhere better; where they will have absolutely no right of vote or opinion.
What's the point though , the options all pretty much seem to be the same thing. Well , GD being the exception , but they'll cause other , new problems (if if they get rid of the current ones) no one wants to deal with.
(06-06-2013 12:12 AM)Arty2 Wrote: [ -> ]So, what's the difference in letting others choose for you, whether it is your birth country or the country you've chosen to live in?
There isn't one. you may not agree with your birth country.
(06-06-2013 12:12 AM)Arty2 Wrote: [ -> ]I am in no place to force my experiences upon anyone. I just wish you get drafted for electoral commissioner during the following elections, that's where you'll realise whether our democracy works or not; that's where you'll realise how one should respect —not obey of course— the majority's opinion, if they ever want their opinion to be respected.
thing is ,
the people up there aren't respecting the public's opinion now , are they?