Mpika Wrote:BLUE Wrote:If you win you get respect so there are NO cheap moves.Attract and double team are moves just like all other moves and there are counters for them.Aerial Ace can kill Sceptile anyway and you can put a Pokemon with an opposite gender against it or a faster Pokemon (Aerodactyl)
Sorry, you don't get respect by winning with cheap moves. Just because something has a counter doesn't mean it isn't cheap. The problem with Double Team is that chances are, you're going to get Taunted if you switch to a hazer or a phazer, and Sceptile is too fast to prevent it from Taunting(plus it would be a waste of a move slot for Pokemon that are faster than it without stat ups). Believe me, you aren't going to run into anything with Aerial Ace that you can't handle with well-timed Hidden Power Ice/Leaf Blade(HP Rock/Aerial Ace Aero shouldn't be able to OHKO it iirc).(Note: That was not in defense of DT, btw)
Also, the main reason DT is banned is because it takes no skill to use DT and become invincible. [b]That's no fair to the other players.[b]
Attract isn't banned, but it's still cheap. It's just not cheap enough to warrant banning, but it will get you ignored if you continue to use it prolificly.
you did sound mean. not alittle. a lot. i dont get cocky. okay? i dont believe in luck when i when. and critical hits are based on probability. i have no ideas howmany times ihave posted things with "probability" but its true.
leafblade it NOT the only good move. thunder punch is for those who have courage. the courage to fight flying types. leech seed and subsitute, my, i wont say it cause im christian.
with/o focus/p, susbitute isnt that good. it wont have much stamina b/c sceptile aint got good stamina.
and leech seed is what i call cheap. i am not new at this. i go through intense training and research to find the best movesets to match the pkmns nature. i always go to wikipedia to see what moves and then I put the natures in my self. i calculate their base stats and move and find out the nature my self. you could think of me as a walking calculator. and battling isnt supposed to be fair. and you dont get respect by using cheap moves, as you suggested BLUE said, which he didnt say. YOU said that you dont get respect by using cheap moves, not blue. Blue said you get respect by winning so there are no cheap moves. the only cheap move is Fake Out. and "Sorry if that was a little mean, but you should always make sure you know what you're doing before you get cocky(heh, sounds like me when I was a noob ) :'(" soundds like to me, you still a noob. i dont like getting insulted and espescially from people who are 6 years older than me. i am only 13, and when youdo the math, i am absolutly a great moveset person thingy. you on the other hand may be like me when i though there was only one way to go: the offencive way. you should take a gander a Aluado's signature. sorry if i was a little mean, but maybe i wont be if i dont get insulted, and you may think of me as a "female dog" but thats your problem, not anyone else's.
treecko3453 Wrote:hehehe... i AM getting good at this. real good might i add.
Sounds pretty cocky to me =/
treecko3453 Wrote:Mpika Wrote:BLUE Wrote:If you win you get respect so there are NO cheap moves.Attract and double team are moves just like all other moves and there are counters for them.Aerial Ace can kill Sceptile anyway and you can put a Pokemon with an opposite gender against it or a faster Pokemon (Aerodactyl)
Sorry, you don't get respect by winning with cheap moves. Just because something has a counter doesn't mean it isn't cheap. The problem with Double Team is that chances are, you're going to get Taunted if you switch to a hazer or a phazer, and Sceptile is too fast to prevent it from Taunting(plus it would be a waste of a move slot for Pokemon that are faster than it without stat ups). Believe me, you aren't going to run into anything with Aerial Ace that you can't handle with well-timed Hidden Power Ice/Leaf Blade(HP Rock/Aerial Ace Aero shouldn't be able to OHKO it iirc).(Note: That was not in defense of DT, btw)
Also, the main reason DT is banned is because it takes no skill to use DT and become invincible. That's no fair to the other players.
Attract isn't banned, but it's still cheap. It's just not cheap enough to warrant banning, but it will get you ignored if you continue to use it prolificly.
you did sound mean. not alittle. a lot. i dont get cocky. okay? i dont believe in luck when i when. and critical hits are based on probability. i have no ideas howmany times ihave posted things with "probability" but its true.
I didn't refute that, but DT IS a luck move. You're relying on your opponent's low probability of hitting you.
leafblade it NOT the only good move. thunder punch is for those who have courage. the courage to fight flying types. leech seed and subsitute, my, i wont say it cause im christian.
with/o focus/p, susbitute isnt that good. it wont have much stamina b/c sceptile aint got good stamina.
HP Ice takes care of Salamence, which Thunderpunch can't. Any other Pokemon that Thunderpunch can KO, HP Ice does it better. If you run into any Water types, well, that's what Leaf Blade is for. Leech Seed is to get your HP back when you Sub. I have used Sceptile many times and this works. Since you're very fast it means you will almost always get the Sub up before they can hit you. You shouldn't be staying in against anything that can stand up to HP Ice and OHKO you.
and leech seed is what i call cheap. i am not new at this. Leech seed can be countered by Grass types and Rapid Spinners, every team has at least one Rapid Spinner to take care of Spikes.
i go through intense training and research to find the best movesets to match the pkmns nature. i always go to wikipedia to see what moves and then I put the natures in my self. i calculate their base stats and move and find out the nature my self. you could think of me as a walking calculator. jesus christ, you are cocky and battling isnt supposed to be fair. It should be as fair as possible to make the experience as fun as possible. and you dont get respect by using cheap moves, as you suggested BLUE said, which he didnt say. YOU said that you dont get respect by using cheap moves, not blue. Blue said you get respect by winning so there are no cheap moves. Um, what? You need to learn to read. I meant that you may get respect by winning, but if you use cheap moves to win, you won't get that respect. the only cheap move is Fake Out. Fake Out lasts, and can only be used on, one turn. In Double Battles I might agree with you, but no one else does. and "Sorry if that was a little mean, but you should always make sure you know what you're doing before you get cocky(heh, sounds like me when I was a noob ) :'(" soundds like to me, you still a noob. Ask around in smogon's irc channel/Netbattle server, and they should tell you I'm not a noob(some don't know; I haven't been Netbattling lately). Or perhaps you could try IGN, that's where I started. i dont like getting insulted and espescially from people who are 6 years older than me. i am only 13, and when youdo the math, i am absolutly a great moveset person thingy. I'm 14, the age in my profile is a fake age. Why would I do that? I just felt like it. Stop being so cocky. you on the other hand may be like me when i though there was only one way to go: the offencive way. you should take a gander a Aluado's signature. sorry if i was a little mean, but maybe i wont be if i dont get insulted, and you may think of me as a "female dog" but thats your problem, not anyone else's. I think of you as an arrogant "donkey", I was only trying to help.
Again, make sure you know what you're talking about before you start running your mouth.
DONT, i repeat, DONT call me an arrogant "donkey"!!!!!! you are really the luckiest person in the world right now. if this was a rulefree forum, ohhh, you besta believe you gone get called the worst things imaginable, in so many different languages. and i am not cocky. if you knew me...
hold on. im not about to get banned from Legendary Pokemon just be cause of you. we can finish this in PMS. this is not the place. i you stop my self just as a reminder of what the admins. or mods would say.
Please, let's stop fighting here!
Leech Seed + Substitute is a great combo, but Sceptile's defences are too low for using this properly. Sceptile is good for sweeping only.
And I guess when treecko3453 said: "hehehe... i AM getting good at this. real good might i add." he was kidding, right?
Is it wrong to make a joke?
Now, please, I know I have no autority for saying this, but... let's get back to the discussion about movesets. Stop fighting, OK?
i just dont like people calling me arrogant. and there is noo way i let people call me a donkey. im not trying to fight. i am not calling people inappropriate names. now then. both movsets are good, but it is just a matter of taste. i dont like attract or double team, but im not complaining. and hidden power is just to complicated. maybe we should start talking about different pokemon. i always wanted a good exeggutor. what moves and nature and item?
Maybe this one is good:
Exeggutor
Modest@Quick Claw
252 HP, 252 SAtk, 6 SDef
- Sleep Powder
- Giga Drain
- Psychic
- Reflect/Light Screen
or
- Sleep Powder
- Sunny Day
- Solarbeam
- Psychic
This is a basic special sweeper... 252 efforts in HP gives some defence, which can be highened with reflect/lightscreen. Sleep Powder stops the foe a little and the other moves are for sweeping.
(I usually prefer using 252 efforts in HP/def/sdef in slow sweepers. If they can't attack fastly, they can at least bear some attacks before attacking)
the second one is close to what i would use, but knowing me, i would replace sleep/p with giga/d
Even with Sunny Day, Exeggutor is still slow. Sleep Powder+Quick Claw provide some defence, then. Again, choose Giga Drain OR Solarbeam. If you want, use Leech Seed+Protect, too, for recovering HP.
I don't want to start another fight here...but using Quick Claw is, yet again, relying on luck. I think standard is Leftovers....
That second Eggy set makes me drool. HP Ice > Psychic if you're not ingame by the way.
Standard is 208 Speed/50 HP/252 SpA for Sunnybeaming iirc(don't remember what the HP is for...)
Edit:
Exeggutor
Although the fight should stop here and although I am a Moderator I have to say that I have played thousands of times netbattle and I have lost very few Battles.I can understand what you (Mpika) say but I just don't agree with this logic.DT is just a move.Aerial Ace should be in every team.A noob will not use DT effectively and I have seen this on Netbattle, too.I don't use DTeamers in my team because DT is forbidden but I like this move.I hope that you understood my logic because I don't like to continue this fight.By your sayings I can understand that you are a very good player and I am not trying to teach you anything.
TO ALL: Please do not use so big Quotes.
Aerial Ace's perfect accuracy isn't worth it's 60 Base Power, at least that's the general opinion.
I don't understand how you don't find it cheap, especially after you've battled a lot. Despite what you think, noobs can use DT well. You know why? Because it takes no skill to use a few DTs and become invincible. They'll usually OHKO your hazer/phazer with some stupid move like Hyper Beam. Then since you don't have a hazer, they'll be free to rape your team. (Pardon the expression)
Maybe you'll get lucky and KO it. Wow. 1 down, 5 more to go. They usually don't listen to advice from other people, saying that they're just "complaining that they lost because they suck". And sometimes they get the bright idea to use Taunt/DT Umbreon. Sometimes they get the bright idea to mix DT with one of the most annoying things ever: BP teams.
I actually don't care much if you don't get it now, just as long as you don't use it against me.
Quick Claw depends on luck, but many good items depends on luck too: brightpowder, scope lens... even berries like salac or liechi depends (you can't use them if your HP isn't very low, and you may be killed before using the berry effect).
Aluado Wrote:Quick Claw depends on luck, but many good items depends on luck too: brightpowder, scope lens... even berries like salac or liechi depends (you can't use them if your HP isn't very low, and you may be killed before using the berry effect).
Brightpowder and Scope Lense aren't good items. Berries are in the gray area, imo. It depends on what you're expecting to encounter and how you've built your defenses. Usually Leftovers is the item of choice if the Pokemon has a high HP, since you're probably not going to lose enough HP very often. Endure+Reversal+Salac is an example of where prediction, not luck, comes into play with the stat-up berries. Yanma uses Sub+Liechi+Speed Boost. It just depends on the situation and how that Pokemon is set up, I guess.
Here I am... I'll post my single battles team now. Please check it out!
Forretress
Careful@Leftovers
Sturdy
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 SDef
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes
- Toxic
Really basic, don't?
Rapid Spinner and Spiker... Toxic is there if Forretress needs to hurt something and Explosion... you know.
Jumpluff
Jolly@Brightpowder
Chlorophyll
252 HP, 6 Def, 252 Spd
- Aerial Ace
- Encore
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
This one is my favorite - and most annoying too. Jumpluff is the best pokémon for putting an enemy to sleep. Encore disrupts "Curselaxes", pokémon with earthquake, calm minders, leech seeders and many other based on stat boosting (except for speed boosters).
Blissey
Bold@Leftovers
Natural Cure
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 SDef
- Aromatherapy
- Counter
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
I already told you this... But I'll tell again
Sofboiled + Aromatherapy + Natural Cure provides healing, Seismic Toss always deliver the same damage and Counter KOes almost everything. The only things that can KO this Blissey are STABed fighting moves (or a non-STABed Focus Punch) and Explosion.
Gengar
Modest@Petaya Berry
Levitate
6 HP, 252 SAtk, 252 Spd
- Fire Punch
- Haze
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
This one is for sweeping. Haze is always good, especially after Jumpluff encoring the foe. This one did wonders against baton passer Umbreons.
Marowak
Careful@Thick Club
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 SDef
- Aerial Ace
- Bonemerang
- Brick Break
- Rock Slide
I don't like jolly Marowaks `cause there are many fast sweepers that can outrun jolly Marowaks, like Starmies and Sceptiles. So, I prefer careful so Marowak can bear a Leaf Blade or Surf. Then... It's just to try a powerful move.
Milotic
Bold@Leftovers
Marvel Scale
252 HP, 40 Def, 216 SAtk
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf
Ice Beam and Surf are for sweeping, Mirror Coat kills the foes that are trying to use Thunderbolts or Giga Drains and Recover...
'Till now, this team is doing pretty good. I'm trying this on Netbattle. May you analyze this?
Gengar @ Petaya
Timid, 252 Speed, 252 Sp.Atk., 6 HP
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Giga Drain
- Destiny Bond
My suggestion for Gengar. Prefer Giga Drain over Ice/Fire Punch because it can do great damage to Swamperts. And Destiny Bond is a must. If your opponent has something that you cannot defeat (Metagross, Curselax, Alakazam) Destiny Bond it to death. I would also use a status-inducing move on Blissey over Seismic Toss. Counter can destroy Ph. Sweepers and nobody will go against a Blissey with a Sp.Sweeper. Thunder Wave or Toxic opponent's annoyers with Blissey then wait for their physical move to Counter.