That's sure but also Gengar isn't going to 2HKO garchomp, but OHKO. Also i think a good counter could be Slowbro.
leftovers, bold, 200 def, 148 sp.def, rest to sp.att.
Ice.beam
Slack off
whatever
whatever ( i put flamethrower and calm mind )
When garchomp switch to slowbro then ice beam and the end
wat about a faster garchopmp? no one ever thoght of that.
(16-12-2008 12:31 PM)Ninjomewtwo Wrote: [ -> ]I've already thought of that, yes. A Scarfchomp is always faster than the YacheChomp and OHKOs with Outrage. But would you ever switch it in when you know they can do the same with their Outrage? I wouldn't.
Yeah, nobody did.
Garchomp CAN'T be countered with walls/annoyers,as far as I have seen.I just thought of this :
Mamoswine@Choice Band
Evs:252 attack,252 Hp/def
Ice Shard
Filler
Filler
Filler
If Garchomp is a Scarf chomp,Ice shard hopefully will kill it from Choice Band.And with EV's in Hp or def,Mamoswine CAN survive some hits
Well,I don't think there are a lot of Choice Scarf Garchomps,but if there are,the user will most likely switch to somethin that take little damage from Ice Shard and start setting up.
well now I think I'm sure I've found a Garchomp Counter!
Salamence
Adamant@Focus Sash
252 EP Attack/ 252 EP Speed/ 6EP hp
Dragon Claw
Anything
Anything
Anything
Let's guess that Garchomp is faster than Salamence, whichever Attack Garchomp use Salamence will surely remain whith 1 hp, then with a Dragon Claw Garchomp is OHKO'd
and i know how to counter it!!!
kingdra
adamant nature
moves:
outrage
anything
anything
anything
And I know you are both wrong!To counter a Pkmn is to be able to switch in safely,which neither Kingdra nor Salamence can do.
Johan- Pair that Salamence with a Heatran. Why? You lure an EQ to go your way, then you get Salamence in there, without damage. If Mence is Adamant with a Choice Scarf, he will outrun SDGarchomp and OHKO with Outrage. Another advantage- your strategy is screwed by SR, Sandstorm, Hail, and any amount of damage. Switching the the Choice Scarf would likely be the way to go.
So the combo would be like this:
Heatran
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Rock / Dragon Pulse
- Explosion
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 Atk
Salamence
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Claw / Filler
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def
Countering a Pokemon requires more than just one Pokemon. It requires the team to function together. (For example, I countered a Focus Punch / Seed Bomb Breloom with my Swampert, Gyarados, and Magnezone, thanks to prediction)
And sandstorm is another reason why Garchomp is such a threat.
Guys, there are bazillion ways to counter Garchomp.
Here is one of those ways:
Ninjask @ Leftovers
Jolly
252 HP / 80 Spe / 176 Atk
~ Substitute
~ Swords Dance
~ Baton Pass
~ X-Scissor
Ninjask is popular with movesets similar to this one, and depending on what the foe's Garchomp will do, you're gonna juts set up Substitute (you can have a max of five with Leftovers) and Swords Dance if possible, then baton pass all those buffs to a Pokémon with high Attack and boom you win the match. (Though, if you didn't baton pass a Substitute to the Pokémon your passing the buffs to, there is a high chance that it'll be OHKO'd by Garchomp, unless the it has superior defences.)
Quote:Garchomp CAN'T be countered with walls/annoyers,as far as I have seen.I just thought of this
Wrong.
Parafusion has a chance of killing 'Chomp.
Countering sth means being able to switch in any of its attacks, take a hit and then KO(or at least render useless by Burn/Paralysis). Just like Rotom-A/Zapdos can do with Scizor for example.
Ninjask can't take any attack from Garchomp(except for EQ - and no skilled player would start spamming EQ for Ninjask to come in), it can't do anything in general with SR being that common.
(30-07-2010 01:26 PM)sweet-devil Wrote: [ -> ]Parafusion has a chance of killing 'Chomp.
Tell me, how exactly are you going to parafuse a pokemon immune to T-Wave?
Sorry, got confused.
It is possible to paralyse Chomp with Body Slam though.
Still, there are more than one wy to counter Chomp.
Garchomp isn't immune to Thunder Wave. Its immune to Electric. Sounds stupid, but a Normalized Delcatty Paralyzes so many things its laughable. Otherwise, Stun Spore, Force Palm, Secret Power, and Body Slam are your best options.
Think of it like Steel types. They are immune to Poison (type), not Poison (Status). Twineedle can Poison every pokemon bar Shedinja.
But on to the original point. Garchomp is not uncounterable, period. Nothing in the realm of Pokemon can't be countered.
Back in the old days of OU Garchomp, I used Tangrowth and Glaceon to take care of it. Stun Spore/Sleep Powder it with the big blue growth as it discovers Fire Fang barely hurts it (Outrage does much more, but still not a OHKO) and pummel away with Leech Seed, Power Whip or Grass Knot.
Glaceon can't swap in easy as cake like Tangrowth, but even Yache Berry Garchomp was slaughtered by the best Ice Beam in the game. It could take an Outrage or Stone Edge if EV'd like a tank or fighting a Jolly Garchomp. People seem to look at OU for counters to OU pokes. Doesn't work so well. Tyrannitar, for example. Hariyama is still its worst nightmare, and its also Heatran's bane of existance. Two top-tier beasts handled ideally.
Rhyperior works better as a second step. Luring Fire Fang or Stone Edge (read: Shedinja, Scizor, Mamoswine, Forretress, even Magnezone) and swapping to the real firepower with Avalanche is perfectly fine (Avalanche has the same power as Outrage after Yache, but doesn't lock Rhyperior. Pick your poison).
Or the dragon-slaying/tanking beast that is Metagross with Ice Punch. Garchomp is DEAD if it tries Outrage or Stone Edge. With a proper tank spread of course, not the Agility sweeper.
About Avalanche: most people I've seen will attack, assuming that a STAB'd super-effective Earthquake is more than enough. People usually disregard Solid Rock and Rhyperior's bulk. This could change, as I think Garchomp got Aqua Tail. That would definitely kill Rhyperior. Shame Avalanche isn't the same as Payback, which only needs to move last. Great move nonetheless.
Tropius also functions like Tangrowth with a Ground immunity. I have a staller set that can beat most anything to the ground that lacks an Ice move. Thanks to the combination of Roost, Leech Seed, and Leftovers it gets 3/4's of its health back even in Sandstorm. That, or good ol' Torterra. I'm not even going to get into the ease of countering a ChoiceChomp. Well, maybe. Little move called Torment counters every single Choice user quickly and effectively without fail.
EDIT: sorry for massive text wall. Happens.
Thunder Wave is an electric type move, so Garchomp is immune to it.